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Modi and India Not Giving Trump Attention is making trump impatient.He wants a headline saying india has stopped buying russian oil and India has opened its market to usa.But reality is india usa trade is not big enough.

Daredevil_M

1. Total UK exports to Russia amounted to £1.2 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q1 2025, Turkey (56 billion dollar - yes the other NATO country, and netherlands, germany and south korea have done their fare share)
2. US still gets the uranium (exempted till 2028), also only country that is allowed to buy oil from Venezuela
3. Ireland trade with Russia climbed 50% (currently 750 million euro), croatia trade with russia increased by 31%, france by 10%

Ok-Activity-9215

The biggest group i.e Right Wing + Left Wing + Minority Extreme Left, all 3 groups' followers are pro-Russia in India. India will not stop dealing with Russia.

InterestingFormal623

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In May 2024, USA ambassador to India Eric Garcetti claimed that Indian purchase of oil was allowed by USA to control the prices. Now somehow it is violation of USA regulations. Creating rules to justify own trade with Russia and trying to force others to stop trading is hypocrisy of the Western world

  
[https://www.statecraft.co.in/article/not-just-us-whole-world-wanted-countries-to-buy-russian-oil-ambassador-garcetti-on-india-s-imports](https://www.statecraft.co.in/article/not-just-us-whole-world-wanted-countries-to-buy-russian-oil-ambassador-garcetti-on-india-s-imports)

hsting61292

Dude just shat on the most pro-US indian government to date. Anyone else comes to power, they will have an even more extreme stance towards the Americans

Dhadiya_Boss

1. India has been targeted by the United States and the European Union for importing oil from Russia after the commencement of the Ukraine conflict. In fact, India began importing from Russia because traditional supplies were diverted to Europe after the outbreak of the conflict. The United States at that time actively encouraged such imports by India for strengthening global energy markets stability.

2. India's imports are meant to ensure predictable and affordable energy costs to the Indian consumer. They are a necessity compelled by global market situation. However, it is revealing that the very nations criticizing India are themselves indulging in trade with Russia. Unlike our case, such trade is not even a vital national compulsion.

3. The European Union in 2024 had a bilateral trade of Euro 67.5 billion in goods with Russia. In addition, it had trade in services estimated at Euro 17.2 billion in 2023. This is significantly more than India's total trade with Russia that year or subsequently. European imports of LNG in 2024, in fact, reached a record 16.5mn tonnes, surpassing the last record of 15.21mn tonnes in 2022.

4. Europe-Russia trade includes not just energy, but also fertilizers, mining products, chemicals, iron and steel and machinery and transport equipment.

5. Where the United States is concerned, it continues to import from Russia uranium hexafluoride for its nuclear industry, palladium for its EV industry, fertilizers as well as chemicals.

6. In this background, the targeting of India is unjustified and unreasonable. Like any major economy, India will take all necessary measures to safeguard its national interests and economic security.


-New Delhi

August 4, 2025

Jeevesh_Sharma

Justcoffeeforme

India buying Russian oil lowers the worldwide price of crude. It actually helps the world economy. Trump is just playing the bully.

Designer_Buy_1650

Thank you Mr. Trump for this. A portion of the younger generation was actually starting to think of the US favorably, keen for India to slowly move away from Russia. With the rhetoric spewed in past couple of days, you have made sure the new generation will not trust US to be on our side. Way to throw away the goodwill earned in last couple of decades, proving once again US can't be trusted. Thankfully we are not dependent on the US for our defense supplies or food.  We will surely manage. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

mightyn0mad

Lmao.. Trump must be spiralling in his head. 

Mr pedophile thought like the rest of countries and eu, India will fold down to his threats. Not expecting that India knows too how economy and world Trade works.

Griffindor-69

India has been sanctioned to oblivion in past for Nuclear tests. We didnt care then, neither are we going to care now

no1bullshitguy

Imagine if India and China put aside their distrust and join hands to form a huge block of free trade with 3 billion people between the two countries. The SEA and South Asian countries will follow and join hands. That would instantly trounce EU and US economies. 

Who am I kidding. 😂

ThatsAllFolksAgain

We told trump to fuck off on his face while uk, eu and others have bent the knee. His ego can't take the hit.

Ashamed-One-Not

Such a sorry state of west that a country has to come out and state the blunt truth like this. Good job you orange bastard

uneducatedDumbRacoon

brager1990

India has once again assumed a categorical position by doubling down on its sovereign, economically driven choice to source Russian oil. Where are we headed moving forward?



I’m not an expert on trade or economics, but from what I understand, this could very well be a negotiation tactic. Trump’s approach clearly breaks with the Biden administration’s quiet accommodation of India’s energy pragmatism.



India doesn’t seem to be backing down. There’s no policy reversal, nor is there any indication that India will halt oil imports under external pressure. However, India is actively working on its energy security by enhancing resilience and reducing overdependence on Russia through the strategic diversification of crude sources. This includes a rise in imports from the U.S. and Brazil, alongside other imperative measures.



Shouldn't this reassure Washington that India is acting not as a rogue actor, but as a pragmatic and responsible energy consumer operating within the constraints of its domestic imperatives and global partnerships?



I hope all the trade and energy rhetoric remains in a diplomatic sandbox and doesn’t spill over into the broader strategic relationship between India and the U.S. The next decade is critical for India as it aims to realize its military modernization goals, many of which hinge on support from the U.S. I sincerely hope the current turbulence doesn’t derail India’s progress in narrowing the military and strategic gap with China in the Indo-Pacific region.

The-Aetheric-Leaf

Conservatism and double standards? Say it isn't so. Rules for thee but not for me!

ryudo6850



The classic moral lecturing from the West, a bunch of hypocrites

Present-Anteater6848

I support the stance India is taking....India is already suffering from inflation...adding extra fuel prices if imported from ME would be a very big burden for the India's working class. India needs to take care of its own.
India has been sending medical supplies as well continuosly to the Ukrainians. The hypocrisy needs to stop

ex_king_of_ayodhya

Honestly, India has a point here. The US and EU talk about isolating Russia, but they’ve still been buying Russian energy and critical resources when it suits their interests. Meanwhile, they expect countries like India to completely cut ties, even if it hurts their own economy.

It’s kind of the classic double standard in geopolitics—“do as I say, not as I do.” Every country is going to prioritize its own energy security first, and India is just being upfront about it. If the West really wants a global embargo, it needs to hold itself to the same rules it expects everyone else to follow.

Whereas_Numerous

The truth many Americans refuse to accept

dpk1357

Icy_Walrus_5035

You don’t lose the respect of people who actually wish to have fantastic relations with you. Hypocrisy thy name is the west.

theindianheat

Double standard? By Trump? 
Entire world is like: first time?

Feuertotem

I think it's clear that not only the govt, but most Indian people believe that not only shouldn't we listen to childish tantrums and endure bullying by Mr. Trump. But also point out the hypocrisy that is fueling this narrative. 

I don't know if India and China should band together but they should definitely show the Western powers their place, given 30% of the world population lives in just these two countries. Probably it's time to even bury some of the differences. 

Ukraine this. Ukraine that. Spare us. We don't care about your wars. You have never cared about ours. Please find a seat.

Future_Definition_55

Definitely a double standard scenario here. Glad they are calling the US gov't out on it  i do encourage them to reduce trade with Russia tho. Putin and his oligarchs are evil human scum.

wh0_RU

seaweedizcool

🇮🇳 India's Response – Point by Point


1. India started importing Russian oil only after traditional suppliers diverted their oil to Europe following the Russia-Ukraine conflict.




2. The U.S. had encouraged India at that time to buy Russian oil to help stabilize global energy markets.




3. India’s imports are not political, but purely to ensure predictable and affordable energy for Indian consumers.




4. Criticism from the U.S. and EU is hypocritical, as they themselves continue to import goods and materials from Russia.




5. In 2024, the European Union’s trade with Russia included:


€67.5 billion in goods
€17.2 billion in services (2023)
Record 16.5 million tonnes of LNG imported in 2024 (higher than 2022’s 15.21 million tonnes)






6. The EU also imports fertilizers, chemicals, steel, and machinery from Russia—far more than India does.




7. The United States continues to import:
Uranium hexafluoride for nuclear power
Palladium for electric vehicles
Fertilizers and chemicals






8. India called the criticism “unjustified and unreasonable”, stating that its trade with Russia is driven by vital national interest, unlike many Western countries.




9. India will continue to take decisions based on its economic security and national interest, like any other major economy.

koushik_Gain_298

Brics Boys about to put epstein files on the "negociation" table

RegularFox2557

The situation is clear as daylight. The US is trying to bully India and Europe is as usual virtue signalling. They should have been aware that India, historically,  has never responded well to such threats and bullying.

SubstantialAction0

We are selfish. If we see a good deal, we will pick it.


Why? Because so is EU and so is the US. No further elaboration necessary.

CroatianArtist

We all know the arguments, we all know that pedo trump is trying to create distractions to take attention away from his horrible wrongdoings, we all know america is the prime sponsor of terrorism throughout the world and this is just another terrible attempt by them once again even if they end up severing their ties with all their allies. Trump is the worst thing on this planet atm, he is the enemy of peace. A bully will try to bully. 

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

samratkarwa

The US has imported around $5 billion in fertilizer from Russia since 2022

[https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports/russia/fertilizers](https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports/russia/fertilizers)

deepbluemeanies

The current government is the only government which at least wanted a good relationship with the US. This pedo fucked that up too. Even the new generation who thought of creating a good relationship with the US and moving away from Russia is now changing their views due to these clowns actions.

milkymist00

Glad that finally there is an official statement to punch Trump in his face. Borderline incestuous pedophiles have no right to run this world as if it was their own house.


But I will forever remain thankful to Donald Trump (despite what I just wrote), for exposing that no matter whether it is BJP or Congress, the US is not a trustworthy ally. Forget ally, the word should be 'partner'. An untrustworthy partner. Import their goods, export ours, but never get blinded by their lies like 'partnership of the century', 'free and open world's blah blah blah.


And maybe, we could now focus more on developing some solid hard power rather than just influence. Let's make the most worthless defence equipment but at least start producing them on a mass scale. Target - export. Then, gradually improve their quality and reliability to wean off our dependency on both US and Russia, because honestly, anything can change in a second. Let's not get sentimental about both the US and Russia because it is an issue of national security.


And of course, fuck Trump.

Right now that's the US in a nutshell, do what I say not what I do.

Bubbaganewsh

Everyone knows that exports from countries like Germany to other countries neighbouring Russia have gone up by 700% since the war started. Sanctions are just a good PR stunt, but no one will sacrifice their economy for Ukraine.

mastablasta1962

&gt;India calls out US, EU over oil trade with Russia; pans double standards. 

The distinction is that India is literally the I in BRICS. From the US perspective, BRICS are the bad guys.

CharlesForbin

xenocideMadridKKR-07

It is a bit different. Modi declared him as friend. I believe the West, as long as we can consider this under this Orange Clown, didn’t do that.

Reginald002

Its the seller and the buyer accusing each other

Calling out the hypocrisy doesn't really work, though, because neither side is actually doing the first step to end that trade. The moment one opens their mouth, the other side's hypocrisy becomes one's own.

ganbaro

Will the thing is whenever US does it: it is right. Everyone knows that fact already. America is right, America does it, don’t disobey America.

MrSquigglyPub3s

Two things can be bad at the same time. Continuing to trade with Russia in view of its unprovoked invasion of Ukraine is bad regardless of whether it’s India, the US or the EU doing it. All this to say neither of the three doing it is an excuse for the other two to as well.

Haru1st

Imagine telling Trump he is full of it and expecting it to change anything for the better in 2025. If you repeat this two times until Trump gets a picture book from his advisors, he will triple down.

Why would a sovereign nation listen to a Epstein client.

Social_Giant

For this reason I look forward to the rise of the BRICS nations - Not only to be able to call out blatant hypocrisy but for there to be some force behind it

bitchcoin5000

EU trade with Russia is now around 80–85% lower than before the war, showing that the EU has largely done its part. A further drop to 90% is expected soon. Meanwhile, India’s trade with Russia has increased nearly sixfold since the war began.

Dazzling_Star_5118

Some one just give him the noble prize and get done with it.

sevlonbhoi1

But wait, only white countries can fight wars, when others fight, it's a circus, according to the west...



India shouldn't be included in a conflict of another third world nation. Ukraine doesn't matter to us. Fight your own wars on your own. If you can't then don't poke Russians. When you don't have guts, don't expect others to save you

I will never support Ukraine because they bought weaponry from pakistan, which actively funds terrorist organisations which will kill me if given opportunity in my own country.

APURVA-DON3

I wonder what part of Russia exports to EU are to pro-russia Hungary and Slovakia. US imports from Russia are worth 3 billion and Indias imports are worth 64 billion so really can't compare those.  They might have  point with EU, but even it has reduced their imports and have have dropped  86 %  since start of the war.

[link](https://sofiaglobe.com/2025/05/21/eurostat-eu-imports-from-russia-dropped-86-between-q1-2022-and-q1-2025/#:~:text=Eurostat:%20EU%20imports%20from%20Russia%20dropped%2086%25,and%20Q1%202025%20%E2%80%93%20The%20Sofia%20Globe)

Antother thing is that extra tariffs are only for importing energy not other harder to replace imports.

jargo3

So trump is bullying india who is weaker than china because china has already shut off their mouth and putin is not answering their call classic they are bullying the weaker country unable to take on the stronger china chinese have really build a great country good for them

Rudra9431

Trump always sees everything as a zero sum game- I.e. I win, you lose kind of situation. So to force nations into a disproportional trade deal that overwhelmingly favors the US that he can sell to his voter base. 

One of the big holdup in the trade deal is : agriculture and dairy.  Trump has no regard for India’s redlines on agriculture or dairy sectors, cannot care less for the developmental imperatives that form the fulcrum of India’s economic policies, and seeks New Delhi to commit to zero tariffs for American goods in exchange for high double-digit levy on Indian exports to the US. It is none of Trump’s concern, for instance, that India has zero appetite for genetically modified American agricultural crops, and zero tolerance for American dairy products fed on blood meal because a vast majority of Hindu Indians are vegetarians

hinterstoisser

Despite being one of the few pro US voices in Indian subreddits, deep down I always knew the US was not a truly reliable partner. Still, I hoped the relationship would improve and strengthen over the long term(because of common Chinese threat). But Trump has dragged it under the ocean for good. This damage feels irreversible.

Generations of Indian youths who will be future policymakers and politicians, will remember this betrayal. The trust deficit created now will shape how India approaches its foreign policy for decades to come.

This trade drama is just the surface. In my opinion, a lot has happened in the past 2–3 months, both publicly and behind the scenes, that has led to the current mess.

Guess India should improve ties with China for good instead of trying to mend ties with US. Democrats or Republicans there is no certainty who will backstab India in future.

AIM-120-AMRAAM

I would agree with the article if this was between two professional negotiating teams.  
The problem is I doubt even the White house knows what tariff Trump will impose next.

India had recently signed trade deals with Australia and the UK and we are close to signing   
one with the EU. There were similar problems of India allowing access to agricultural products and dairy. There was no way we could agree to US demands when we said no to others (and our interlocutors understood our sensitivities). The deals with the UK and Australia were signed with give and take on both sides. 

The premise behind trade deals is that both sides seek to strengthen trade by removing bottlenecks, acting within WTO commitments and with compromise on both sides. A trade deal is not a mafia style shakedown. The Indian public was riled not just by Trump making repeated references to stopping the war, but hosting the Pak army chief (not the elected head of state) after the latter appeared at a state funeral of US &amp; UN designated terrorists and reiterating Pakistan's support for terror groups. He also referred to India being a dead economy, which is inaccurate when we are the 3rd largest in the world (in PPP) and the fastest growing in the G-20. 

I don't see any statement from Japan, South Korea or Vietnam where they have agreed to the terms Trump says the have. There is a similar lack of clarity over the terms of the EU-US deal.

Dean_46

It appears the Indian negotiators were far too naive and optimistic, the American negotiators were far too greedy and in the end Trump nuked the negotiating table when he decided he wouldn't be getting the kind of announcement he wanted.

From various articles, the sequence of events that led to this seems to be:

1. In July, India offered to essentially meet the Americans halfway with immediate concessions on 40% of American industrial exports and gradually some consumer products. They also offered $25 billion of American oil purchases. With Trump announcing a 'big deal with India' they actually believed he was satisfied and would at least give them an interim trade deal.

2. On the American side, Trump and his advisors wanted nothing less than an announcement that India would open up most or all of its economy *and* pledge $350 billion or more(comparable to South Korea, Japan and the EU) of US purchases.

3. When it was clear that India wasn't going to offer that much Trump brought up the Russian oil import(which he previously didn't care about) to tighten the vice on India. The announcement on 25% tariffs is meant to go into effect immediately but the one on 50% is intentionally timed for 2 weeks in the future in order to pressure India to surrender.

This is reminding me of Trump's first attempt at a trade war, with China, when tariffs were going up to 100%, 200% and so on. He seems to have realised that India would be a much softer target for this kind of offensive.

Meanwhile, the indications are that the current 'truce' where tariffs on China are only at 30% will be extended, even though the US has far more reason to resent China on all fronts than India. Probably because of their leverage on rare earth minerals, their willingless to bribe Trump's cronies, and Trump's preference for dictators.

1-randomonium

Basically, Trump wanted India to kiss the ring and confirm to the world that they kissed the ring.

curiousstrider

SS

After five rounds of trade negotiations, Indian officials were so confident of securing a favourable deal with the United States that they even signalled to the media that tariffs could be capped at 15%.
Indian officials expected U.S. President Donald Trump to announce the deal himself weeks before the August 1 deadline. The announcement never came.

New Delhi is now left with the surprise imposition of a 25% tariff on Indian goods from Friday, along with unspecified penalties over oil imports from Russia, while Trump has closed larger deals with Japan and the EU, and even offered better terms to arch-rival Pakistan.
Interviews with four Indian government officials and two U.S. government officials revealed previously undisclosed details of the proposed deal and an exclusive account of how negotiations collapsed despite technical agreements on most issues.

The officials on both sides said a mix of political misjudgment, missed signals and bitterness broke down the deal between the world's biggest and fifth-largest economies, whose bilateral trade is worth over $190 billion.
The White House, the U.S. Trade Representative office, and India's Prime Minister's Office, along with the External Affairs and Commerce ministries, did not respond to emailed requests for comment.
India believed that after visits by Indian Trade Minister Piyush Goyal to Washington and U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance to Delhi, it had made a series of deal-clinching concessions.
New Delhi was offering zero tariffs on industrial goods that formed about 40% of U.S. exports to India, two Indian government officials told Reuters.

Despite domestic pressure, India would also gradually lower tariffs on U.S. cars and alcohol with quotas and accede to Washington's main demand of higher energy and defence imports from the U.S., the officials said.
"Most differences were resolved after the fifth round in Washington, raising hopes of a breakthrough," one of the officials said, adding negotiators believed the U.S. would accommodate India's reluctance on duty-free farm imports and dairy products from the U.S.
It was a miscalculation. Trump saw the issue differently and wanted more concessions.
"A lot of progress was made on many fronts in India talks, but there was never a deal that we felt good about," said one White House official.

"We never got to what amounted to a full deal - a deal that we were looking for."


OVER-CONFIDENCE AND MISCALCULATION


Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who visited Washington in February, agreed to target a deal by fall 2025, and more than double bilateral trade to $500 billion by 2030.
To bridge the $47 billion goods trade gap, India pledged to buy up to $25 billion in U.S. energy and boost defence imports.

But officials now admit India grew overconfident after Trump talked up a "big" imminent deal, taking it as a signal that a favourable agreement was in hand. New Delhi then hardened its stance, especially on agriculture and dairy, two highly sensitive areas for the Indian government.

"We are one of the fastest growing economies, and the U.S. can't ignore a market of 1.4 billion," one Indian official involved in the negotiations said in mid-July.

Negotiators even pushed for relief from the 10% average U.S. tariff announced in April, plus a rollback of steel, aluminium and auto duties.



Later, India scaled back expectations after the U.S. signed trade deals with key partners including Japan, and the European Union, hoping it could secure a similar 15% tariff rate with fewer concessions.

That was unacceptable to the White House. "Trump wanted a headline-grabbing announcement with broader market access, investments and large purchases," said a Washington-based source familiar with the talks.
An Indian official acknowledged New Delhi wasn't ready to match what others offered.

South Korea, for example, struck a deal just before Trump's August 1 deadline, securing a 15% rate instead of 25% by offering $350 billion in investments, higher energy imports, and concessions on rice and beef.

This range plot displays U.S. President Donald Trump's tariff rates or the most recent previously announced or threatened tariff rates for the U.S.'s top trading partners on Aug. 1, 2025.

This range plot displays U.S. President Donald Trump's tariff rates or the most recent previously announced or threatened tariff rates for the U.S.'s top trading partners on Aug. 1, 2025.


COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN

"At one point, both sides were very close to signing the deal," said Mark Linscott, a former U.S. Trade Representative who now works for a lobby group that is close to the discussions between the two nations.
"The missing component was a direct line of communication between President Trump and Prime Minister Modi."
A White House official strongly disputed this, noting other deals had been resolved without such intervention.
An Indian government official involved in the talks said Modi could not have called, fearing a one-sided conversation with Trump that could put him on the spot.

However, the other three Indian officials said Trump's repeated remarks about mediating the India-Pakistan conflict further strained negotiations and contributed to Modi not making a final call.

"Trump's remarks on Pakistan didn't go down well," one of them said. "Ideally, India should have acknowledged the U.S. role while making it clear the final call was ours."

A senior Indian government official blamed the collapse on poor judgment, saying top Indian advisers mishandled the process.

"We lacked the diplomatic support needed after the U.S. struck better deals with Vietnam, Indonesia, Japan and the EU," the official said.
"We're now in a crisis that could have been avoided."
Trump said on Tuesday he would increase the tariff on imports from India from the current rate of 25% "very substantially" over the next 24 hours and alleged that New Delhi's purchases of Russian oil were "fuelling the war" in Ukraine.
WAY FORWARD
Talks are ongoing, with a U.S. delegation expected in Delhi later this month and Indian government officials still believe the deal can be salvaged from here.
"It's still possible," one White House official said.
The Indian government is re-examining areas within the farm and dairy sectors where concessions can be made, the fourth official said. On Russian oil, India could reduce some purchases in favour of U.S. supplies if pricing is matched.
"It likely will require direct communication between the prime minister and the president," said Linscott.
"Pick up the phone. Right now, we are in a lose-lose. But there is real potential for a win-win trade deal."

I think it is a direct impact from the border skirmish earlier in May. The series of fights basically proves that India has no proper means to keep that subcontinent in order. Pakistan, indeed, is much inferior in military power, but it can pose significant threat and damage to India.

TBH, the capability of planning and execution shown by India in that air fight is very much impressive. I dare to say, except US, no NATO country can properly plan and execute an aerial raid with over 70 jet fighters in four to five fronts. But the loss is still unbelievable, and someone or something must be held accountable.

For India, they really don't think that is their fault since they have demonstrated their execution beautifully. PAF has some weapon systems from China, what could India do without F-35A and EA-18G? Nothing.

However, for US, they really cannot admit that China is getting edge on military equipment over NATO, otherwise the confidence within NATO will collapse. 

That is a deadlock for Modi and Trump. They both want the other side to admit something that is one stone away from political, even biological suicide, and of course, they cannot agree on any deals.

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omgitzvg

The information war is very bloody over this topic.

Bayo77

I’m with India. If the US is going to make demands that they stop buying Russian oil over a European war… maybe we should start with European states buying Russian oil while supplying Ukraine with arms. 

India is getting punished for being neutral. Why not Germany, Poland, or the Netherlands? 

Stick our Allies to the wall first for supporting Russias war.

SadCowboy-_-

India, keep messing around. 

Trump is going to do something completely assinine

TorshePaycan

Just a reminder that the West doesn't need to be fair.

India's economy:

|Main export partners| [United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) 17.7%  [European Union](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union) 17.4%  [United Arab Emirates](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates) 8.2%  [China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China) 5.7%|
|:-|:-|


India's two largest export markets by far are the US and Europe. The West has huge leverage here to pressure India.

jamie9910

Time to charge them 15000 each for a visa! @DonaldTrumpOfficial

UnusualBreadfruit306

DopeAFjknotreally

There’s a lot of people overly focused on semantics in this thread about “having” India. The main point is that the Modi government was the most pro-US government India has had in recent times, and after the split from Pakistan following the whole Osama bin Laden episode, the Obama administration was inching toward a major diplomatic and defence partnership shift to India, and Indian public opinion had done a full 180 from the Cold War days when America was considered a hostile power. Trump’s first term actually capitalized on this public opinion shift quite well and it created a great atmosphere for the governments to work together and look good domestically doing it. However, this cooperation stalled under Biden and has been almost completely thrown into chaos in Trump’s second term where he’s suddenly decided he would rather treat with the Pakistanis in exchange for silly little personal favours like Nobel prizes. This could be another historic blunder that will keep the two democracies from deepening ties for another 40 years. Trump may become as reviled among Indians as Nixon and Kissinger.

TorontoGiraffe

I blog on Indian national security. I had so far given the benefit of doubt to Trump, assuming that he must have basic competence to be President and the US system won't allow a fool to be elected. I think I was mistaken. He's not just incompetent, he's deranged and those around him won't tell him so

[1.](http://1.You) One does not do diplomacy on social media. Don't publish something that the other side has not agreed to. I haven't seen an approved text of ANY of the agreements that various countries are supposed to have agreed -except a foundation agreement with UK.

2, The US does not have an Ambassador to India - though we are the two biggest democracies (in population, size of economy in PPP and military power). There is a one year wait for a visa interview, so there is no attempt to even get the basics of a relationship right.

3. Trump has zero understanding of our red lines and has no credibility on a shared concern like fighting terror - he entertains Pakistan, despite its state sponsored terror  
and makes ludicrous claims of his mediating a ceasefire. He says his main adversary is China, but equates his strongest potential ally (India) against China, with China The only reason any head of state would still have a serious discussion with him, is because he heads the US.

4. He also lies to the extent that nothing he says can be taken seriously. His latest tweet about Pakistan's oil reserves, is probably news to Pakistan.   
We are not a \`tariff king'. Our average tariff for US items is much less than Trump's 25% (plus an unspecified penalty) and in line with our WTO commitment.   
  
We have an adversarial relationship with China, but they export $ 120 billion to us, three times more than the US, with higher tariff's than we have with the US.   
Given that we are the 3rd largest economy (in PP terms), the fastest growing in the G20 and the top 10 trading partner of all major economies, its inappropriate to publicly call   
us a dead economy. 

Trying to tariff a country because they are prosecuting your friend (Brazil), or buying oil from Russia, are schoolyard bully tactics.

How did the U.S. “have” India, when India was literally the leader of the non-aligned movement?

PollutionFinancial71

I do not think we ever “had India”. We are closer with Pakistan than India

perry147

Thats alright

It was clearly a calculated decision made pragmatically by the president of the USA, Donald Trump

To erase 20 years of diplomatic progress over the course of 2 months must be worth it in that case. 

Im sure the money the Trump family will mint via the Pakistani crypto council will be far more than the money America could make via trade with India

Far_Piglet_9596

SS:

In 2019, U.S. President Donald Trump stood alongside Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi at the “Howdy Modi” rally in Houston. The atmosphere was electric. Indian Americans cheered, and New Delhi appeared fully invested in the Trump presidency. Trump’s popularity in India eclipsed that of his successor Joe Biden and even Biden’s vice president, Kamala Harris, who is herself of Indian ancestry. Trump’s re-election in 2024 thus seemed like the beginning of a new, stronger chapter in India-U.S. relations.

That chapter is now closing fast. India is beginning to question the value of its strategic alignment with Washington. And the United States is handing it every reason to do so.

Normal_Imagination54

When they had India? 
At best they will get a France out of India by the look of it they will get a Brazil

spikeineyes

India has always been as neutral as they can be, we never had them to lose them

awake283

Uppermiddle class Indians and Americans are more closely aligned in thinking than the US is to Europe. While there are large cultural differences and an enormous under class in India, US and India relations are not bad. It will be a real rivalry going forward, but not hostile.

Gajanvihari

Utterly stupid move by Trump, India is a rising economic and military power and could have been one of the most important US allies in the 21st century. 

Everything this guy does only weakens us. Russia and China smile every day this clown remains in office.

ChrisF1987

Sana Hashmi the author of the article seems to take idea that India was coming in swinging to Usa and it would have helped to establish a permanent ally or whatever the author is trying to communicate in her ideas. India was never a Usa ally, it always took to look at advantages it can get from Usa and China.
 Trump does not matter much since the war in Ukraine is going out and India by buying Russian oil is certainly proving her autonomy does not come at any cost. 
This is just a more pragmatic shift and no way Usa wants another 1.5 billion country to rise and challenge it's and China's hegemony.

Weak_Adhesiveness621

If the US imposes sanctions on Russia, it would actually target India.

One-Strength-1978

I think people are a bit naive about the ceiling for this relationship.

There’s no real reason for the US and India to be allies or trust each other right now. There are way too many diverging interests

lostinspacs

LongShow5279

I think the United States has realized that India cannot be  a counterweight to China, much as they wish it. Here's the legendary and late Charlie Munger articulating it in a forthright manner. [https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/186j3qt/charlie\_munger\_on\_india\_thoughts/](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/186j3qt/charlie_munger_on_india_thoughts/)

ImprovementGreat7654

Wasn’t India always considered close to the Russians for the longest time so much so that the US sided with Pakistan during the 1971 war. 

It was only after the Kargil War in 1999 when the terrorists were found to be Pakistani army regulars that the US toughened its stance on Pakistan and moved closer to India - coinciding later with the large number of techies from India. 

The US has brought India into the Quad security dialogue, working on U2I2, and other cooperative efforts (defense, technology etc) but India has always avoided taking sides so far (trying to maintain its friendship with the Russians and The US). The US saw India as a natural ally against China that more tech manufacturing is slowly moving to India. 

But to say US ever “had India” is a exaggeration

The US foreign policy is causing it to get isolated from the classic allies. This is bad news in a timeframe it is losing the competition with China fast, politically, militarily and economically. The west will pay a huge price for that, if it will not result in a global conflict we cannot win.

Andries_1960

I would write the opposite headline. The US tried fairly hard to court India during both the Trump I and Biden admin, but at the end of the day India didn't really want that kind of partnership and Washington has largely lost interest in pursuing it even before Trump II.

somethingicanspell

outtayoleeg

Because when the average American goes grocery shopping almost everything they buy is processed and packaged and overloaded with sugar. It’s not because they’re going to all-you-can-eat cake eating events every day.

This is probably a once a year event. Let people stuff themselves with cake every once in a while if they want to

Doctor__Hammer

The US never ‘had’ India. India always picks itself and it will not fight China together with the US. It will stay out of that fight and it will try to profit from it by gaining favors from both sides.

India will also not fight alongside China or Russia, so when they so clearly go for their own interests, one can ask how useful they are for anyone. Trump is right to turn the screws on India.

What does India even have to offer to the US besides (massively overrated) cheap IT services which stands to be easily automated away using AI?

simulacrum79

I’m all for criticizing Trump, but India never really committed to being an ally to the US/West. 

Sure, the US blew it with India in the 50s, but I think in the recent decades India more than had a chance to change the relationship. 

Now? 

India relies on Russian weaponry and Russia has no capacity to supply India in the foreseeable future, so good luck with that. 

India’s 2 main existential threats are Pakistan (with whom the US has apparently decided to reengage) and China… China who is the senior partner in Sino-Russo “friendship”. Pakistan is also quite well aligned with China. 

In other words, India needs the US much much more than the US needs whatever India has been offering up until now.

Deucalion667

Honestly if India still thinks protecting their small plot farmers is more important than developing trade they probably aren't going to be that important in China / US confrontation timelines.


Until agriculture stops absorbing such vast amounts of labor they won't develop.

Forsaken-Bobcat-491

This is like the final nail in the coffin. I still don't know what's in play here. Do they want to keep Pak not falling into the hands of China, I think time has surpassed for that or are they using Pak as a leverage to get India more submissive and use them against China.


Whatever they try, Indians are well aware that they're sharing borders with the both permanently and they are not going to do anything which would cause permanent disharmony.

CarmynRamy

I am more worried about India leaning towards Authoritarianism. India with liberal values will at least not be a great adversary to the US. India joining the authoritarian bloc of China, Russia, N Korea and Iran will be very difficult to deal with.

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